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(Comparative) study (in structure/mode/ways of pronunciation, articulation, phonetics, or whatever; that is, in differences of speaking mouth postures and resultant speaking weight/force center points) between English/foreign languages and mother tongue, for better (more practical/effective/smooth) hearing/speaking of English/foreign languages.       Copyright.   Young-Won Kim,   yw@voicespec.com
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Name   Young-Won Kim
Subject   Noam Chomsky    vs    Philip Lieberman,  fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu
----- Original Message -----
From: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
To: < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
Sent:
Subject: Linguistics / phonetics, NEWS

Believe (it) or not,       the vocabularies and grammar(s)/etc. of all (modern and Inca/Maya-like-disappeared-antique) languages (including their dialects) are already stored in human brain at birth  (and now in your/my brains also).     That is,    I mean   not that POTENTIAL to learn any language is there as an innate HUMAN ABILITY,    but that your/my brain now has the vocabularies and grammar(s)/etc. of Korean language, Chinese, Japanese, English, German, French, etc.           We only do not have effective/efficient experience/chance to use them.

If you study/know  (not fake but)  genuine phonetics (phonology or the likes),  you can take out words/grammars/etc. of various languages from your brain;     since knowledge/information in the brain is expressed in the form of voice (or thought/idea/concept/etc.)

I have world-firstly found how to take out words/grammars/etc. of various languages from the brain and speaking postures/etc.       Click below.

http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test2&action=view&gul=47&page=1&go_cnt=0
http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test3&action=view&gul=68-1&page=1&go_cnt=0

Young-Won Kim
ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr , ygwnkm@hotmail.com ,


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Lieberman" < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
To: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Language/linguistics & phonetics

> Breaking news - this is nonsense.
>
> Philip Lieberman


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----- Original Message -----
From: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
To: < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: Breaking news - this is nonsense. Philip Lieberman

Thank you for your reply/remarks.

I am ready to talk/argue "speech production, etc." with you (one by one) any time.
Your B.S. degree was/is Electrical Engineering and my B.S. degree was/is Electronic Engineering;    that is, there will be no significant gap/difficulty in our discussion.

If we start our talk/communication, I can demonstrate/persuade you that the vocabularies and grammar(s)/etc. of all (modern and Inca/Maya-like-disappeared-antique) languages (including their dialects) are already stored in human brain at birth  (and now in your/my brains also),   etc. in a week - - I hope/think.

Our talking/discussion/communication will contribute to the human kind    (as well as linguistics people/students).

Comparative phonetics
http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test1
http://voicespec.com/

Young-Won Kim
ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr , ygwnkm@hotmail.com ,

>>   Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu
I study the evolution of human linguistic and cognitive ability.       In the 1970s my focus was on the evolution of the vocal anatomy that makes human speech possible.        My current work concerns the neural circuits that regulate syntax, cognition as well as speech production and other aspects of motor control.         These circuits, which involve the basal ganglia and other subcortical structures, are related through their evolutionary history.        My research also involves applications such as voice monitoring cognition and emotion, and the assessment of Parkinson's and other neurodegenerative diseases, and of verbal apraxia and its genetic bases in children.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
To: < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
Cc:
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:37 PM
Subject: Philip Lieberman, fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu

I still want to talk/argue "speech production, etc." with Prof. Philip Lieberman (or anyone in the department of cognitive and linguistic sciences of Brown.edu.)

I want to have your reply in a week.
I will publicize our academic argument/communication result to the press, etc.

Young-Won Kim
ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr , ygwnkm@hotmail.com ,


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Lieberman" < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
To: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Philip Lieberman, fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu

>I really do not wish to waste my time in arguing about biologically impossible theories. Read my 2006 book, /Towards an evolutionary biology of language.
>
> /If you have access to journals look for the forthcoming Enard et al paper in /Cell./ It will disabuse you of Chomskian fantasies.
>
> PL


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----- Original Message -----
From: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
To: < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
Cc:
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:44 PM
Subject: Philip Lieberman, fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu/2

Dear Prof. Philip Lieberman:

At your reply, I find/feel you are experienced/excellent linguistics professor.

Though you mention biology/cell, is the level of modern/current biology (and cell science) really scientifically/technically excellent and helpful to linguistics?
No, I do not think so.
The level of modern/current biology (and cell science) is primitive/crude and not helpful to linguistics.


I visit
http://www.answers.com/Chomskian
and comment like the following:


>> His 1957 book Syntactic Structures outlined his theories of transformational generative grammar and made him a prominent and controversial figure in the field.

* Noam Chomsky seems to specialize (in) grammar, while I mention words/etc. as well as grammar.


Transformational Grammar

>> In two seminal books on linguistic theory - Syntactic Structures (1957) and Aspects of the Theory of Syntax (1965) - Chomsky argued that the grammar of human language is a formal system consisting of abstract logical structures which are systematically rearranged by operations to generate all possible sentences of a language. Chomsky's theory is applicable to all components of linguistic description (phonology, morphology, syntax, semantics, and so forth).

* Noam Chomsky has studied linguistics long/hard and has found or (more correctly) felt many significant linguistic symptoms (rather than facts), which he can not explain/demonstrate since he does not have the knowledge of real science.
So, Noam Chomsky's linguistics is abstract.


>> In phonology, for example, Chomsky argues that the sound system of a language consists of a set of abstract binary features (phonemic level) which are combined and recombined by means of phonological processes to produce the sounds which people actually say (phonetic level) (see Chomsky and Halle's The Sound Pattern of English, 1968). In syntax, which has received the most attention by linguists, the theory specifies a set of abstract phrase-structure rules (deep structures) which undergo transformations to produce all possible sentences (surface structures).

* I instinctively understand why the phrase of "a set of abstract binary features" is used.

If you click/visit
http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test1&action=view&gul=333&page=1&go_cnt=0
you will find the below:

1.  (tetragraph-type) seed?   <<Λioa>>
C)   If articulating [Λioa]   from /P/SS/adverbs,        "humbly”/+-,  “modestly”/+bp,  “meekly”/+cp,    and  “unassumingly”/+-/Ch,  "submissively”/Ch/+bp,  “self-effacingly”/Ch/+cp are pronounced.

unassumingly [ŋ(=æ)h  h=h  n=h  ŋ=h  hΛh  s=h  s=h  hΛh  ŋ=h  m=h  hΛh  ŋ=h  n=h  hΛh  g=h  l=h  hΛh]*[s(=a)h  h=h  ŋ=h]

The above explains: If articulating tetragraph <<Λioa>> from /P/SS/+-/Ch, [ŋ(=æ)h  h=h  n=h  ŋ=h  hΛh  s=h  s=h  hΛh  ŋ=h  m=h  hΛh  ŋ=h  n=h  hΛh  g=h  l=h  hΛh]/(애흐느어스서으머으너그러) is pronounced instead of the current pronunciation of "unassumingly".
When articulating (or trying to speak) [ŋ(=æ)h  h=h  n=h  ŋ=h  hΛh  s=h  s=h  hΛh  ŋ=h  m=h  hΛh  ŋ=h  n=h  hΛh  g=h  l=h  hΛh]/(애흐느어스서으머으너그러) from/with Greek/GRECOnglish (CLASSICAL Attic) secondary /S speaking posture, the current/modern pronunciation of "unassumingly(언어슴잉리)" is pronounced.

Is the structure/array of [ŋ(=æ)h  h=h  n=h  ŋ=h  hΛh  s=h  s=h  hΛh  ŋ=h  m=h  hΛh  ŋ=h  n=h  hΛh  g=h  l=h  hΛh]/(애흐느어스서으머으너그러) similar to "binary feature" in vowels?

ŋ(=æ)h  h=h 느(n=h)/= 어(ŋ=h  hΛh)/Λ 스(s=h)/= 서(s=h  hΛh)/Λ 으(ŋ=h)/= 머(m=h  hΛh)/Λ 으(ŋ=h)/= 너(n=h  hΛh)/Λ 그(g=h/=) 러(l=h  hΛh)/Λ

=Λ=Λ=Λ=Λ=Λ=Λ=Λ=Λ= - - -: "binary feature" in vowels

You have two Korean people who will explain the vowel [=], which is equal to Korean vowel [ㅡ] of "그/으/스"
small [s=  mol]/스몰

Visit "Vowel chart (& glossary)" so as to see what /P, /SS etc. mean.

That ia, I say/mean that ancient Greek (influenced) linguists <from Greek/GRECOnglish (CLASSICAL Attic) primary /P speaking posture> coined "unassumingly" from the original sound of [ŋ(=æ)h  h=h  n=h  ŋ=h  hΛh  s=h  s=h  hΛh  ŋ=h  m=h  hΛh  ŋ=h  n=h  hΛh  g=h  l=h  hΛh]/(애흐느어스서으머으너그러), which is pronounced as the current/modern pronunciation of "unassumingly(언어슴잉리)" from Greek/GRECOnglish (CLASSICAL Attic) secondary /S speaking posture.
(Ancient) English-mother-tongue people discarded [ŋ(=æ)h  h=h  n=h  ŋ=h  hΛh  s=h  s=h  hΛh  ŋ=h  m=h  hΛh  ŋ=h  n=h  hΛh  g=h  l=h  hΛh]/(애흐느어스서으머으너그러) and copy/imitate/adopted the current/modern pronunciation of "unassumingly(언어슴잉리)" since the sound feeling of "binary feature" in vowels is barbarous, I think.

Chomsky seems to feel "binary feature" in vowels, which explanation is beyond his (science) knowledge.


>> Chomsky's assumption was that a grammar is finite, but that the sentences which people produce are theoretically infinite in length and number. Thus, a grammar must generate, from finite means, all and only the infinite set of grammatical sentences in a language. Chomsky has further argued that all languages have the same underlying, abstract structure - universal grammar.

* It is similar to cooking. We make various dishes with wheat flour.
My homepage shows how English grammar is produced and how all languages have the same underlying, (not abstract but scientific) structure -- (comparatively) universal-like grammar; like "the difference among pizza, pie, 빈대떡[bin  dæ  dΛg]".
My homepage is enormous.


>> Evidence for these claims is strong. The most commonly cited evidence is that children learn language rapidly, totally, and similarly by the age of five or six, irrespective of the culture into which they are born or the language which they learn. Chomsky thus claimed that children have innate linguistic competence, a reflection of universal grammar.

* The above is not direct but indirect evidence. Rather reasoning.
http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test2&action=view&gul=55-1&page=1&go_cnt=0
The above page will give evidence: "Andre M. of Linguistics, Max Planck Institute, Germany"


>> Chomsky broke from previous structuralist dominance of linguistics and revolutionized the field in several ways. First, he converted linguistics into a theoretical discipline. Second, he pluralized the word "grammar": he showed that there are many possible theories of language - grammars - and he argued that the purpose of scientific linguistics is to demonstrate which of all possible grammars is the most explanatory feasible. Third, he linked linguistics to mathematics, psychology, philosophy, and neuropsychology, thereby broadening the discipline immensely.

* Chomsky broke from previous structuralists who write fiction-like grammar.
Chomsky (who wants nonfiction) is a theoretician who does not know science and can not give practical evidence/results, though.

"Grammars" is pronounced as "grammar" without [s], in like wise that "waters" is pronounced as "water".
http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test1&action=view&gul=218&page=1&go_cnt=1&chk_name=&chk_sub=on&chk_cmt=on&keyword=rices&start_num=0
mass noun

Though Chomsky linked linguistics to mathematics, psychology, philosophy, and neuropsychology, he does not know when/how he should mention real science.


>> Chomsky's later work in linguistics focused on spelling out the details of universal grammar. He was particularly concerned with the sorts of constraints that limit the power of transformations (see, for example, Lectures on Government and Binding, 1981).

* Chomsky's linguistics is pitiful since he does not know real/genuine phonetics.


>> Critics of Chomsky generally argued that grammar is not a formal system, but a social tool. They raised as counter-evidence such things as language variation, social and cultural differences in language use, and what they claim to be the improbability of the innateness hypothesis: that innateness is a theorist's intuition, not an empirical fact. In all fairness to Chomsky, he never ruled out variation or the functional aspect of language, but preferred instead to focus on the similarities across languages. His work, furthermore, generated considerable interest in both the neuropsychology and biology of language, which provided considerable evidence for innateness.

* Please browse my homepage which solves the above contentions.


Rationalist Philosopher, Political Theorist

>> Chomsky demolished any connection between linguistics and behaviorist psychology with the scathing "Review of B. F. Skinner's Verbal Behavior" (1959), in which he argued that stimulus-response theory could in no way account for the creativity and speed of language learning.

* (B. F. Skinner's) stimulus-response theory can be similar to (my) condition-reflex; that is, articulation-pronunciation.

stimulus/condition/articulation and response/reflex/pronunciation

http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test1&action=view&gul=32-1-1-1-1-1-1-1&page=1&go_cnt=0&chk_name=&chk_sub=on&chk_cmt=on&keyword=condition%2Freflex&start_num=0
3. Articulation vs pronunciation:


P.S.:    I am not a proper/regular linguist.
Before this, I have not read Chomsky.
While I only study English articulation/pronunciation, I have found the below:

The vocabularies and grammar(s)/etc. of all (modern and Inca/Maya-like-disappeared-antique) languages (including their dialects) are already stored in human brain at birth  (and now in your/my brains also).
If you study/know  (not fake but)  genuine phonetics (phonology or the likes),  you can take out words/grammars/etc. of various languages from your brain;     since knowledge/information in the brain is expressed in the form of voice (or thought/idea/concept/etc.)

Comparative phonetics
http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test1
http://voicespec.com/

Young-Won Kim
ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr , ygwnkm@hotmail.com ,


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Lieberman" < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
To: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: Philip Lieberman, fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu/2

> FYI my PhD is from MIT and I am familiar with Chomsky's speculations - they aren't theories because they can not be tested.
>
> If you don't know anything about biology, it's your problem.
>
> Best
> PL


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----- Original Message -----
From: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
To: < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
Cc:
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 10:52 PM
Subject: Philip Lieberman, fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu/3


Dear Sir:

>> FYI my PhD is from MIT and I am familiar with Chomsky's speculations -
they aren't theories because they can not be tested.

* I only copy/quoted the word of "theories" from http://www.answers.com/Chomskian

* Born: 7 December 1928
* Birthplace: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
* Best Known As: Creator of the theory of generative grammar
Noam Chomsky is a leading linguistic scientist and a longtime professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). His 1957 book Syntactic Structures outlined his theories of transformational generative grammar and made him a prominent and controversial figure in the field. Chomsky is also known as a political activist suspicious of big media, big business and big government. His books include Manufacturing Consent (1988) and Propaganda and the Public Mind (2001). He is sometimes compared with another scholarly activist, Bertrand Russell.


>> If you don't know anything about biology, it's your problem.

* I said/wrote not "I do not know anything about biology" but "The level of modern/current biology (and cell science) is primitive/crude and not helpful to linguistics."


Will you kindly and fully read my writings?

Comparative phonetics
http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test1
http://voicespec.com/


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----- Original Message -----
From: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
To: < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 11:59 AM
Subject: Philip Lieberman, fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu/4

I hope to hear your opinion for my comment on Noam Chomsky.

I still want to talk/argue "speech production, etc." with Prof. Philip Lieberman (or anyone in the department of cognitive and linguistic sciences of Brown.edu.)

For example,
I can speak/pronounce any vowel of [a, e, i, o, u, etc.] while fixing my tongue in one place/position, without movement, as the mouth sound or as the chest sound.
But IPA speak different story, as you know.
Do you agree that any vowel of [a, e, i, o, u, etc.] can be pronounced while fixing the tongue in one place/position, without movement?

Comparative phonetics
http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test1
http://voicespec.com/

Young-Won Kim
ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr , ygwnkm@hotmail.com ,


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Lieberman" < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
To: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Philip Lieberman, fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu/4

> First read my book, /Toward an evolutionary biology of language/, before wasting my time.
>
> I've attached   <<a paper>>   that may perhaps set you straight regarding Chomsky and the state of linguistic "research" following his models..
>
> Best
>
> PL


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----- Original Message -----
From: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
To: < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 10:58 PM
Subject: The pied piper and Prof. Philip Lieberman.

1. I hate pdf-style document which can not be quoted or edit/modified (to my style), etc.

2. What is the difference between Prof. Philip Lieberman and the pied piper (that is, Noam Chomsky)?

The pied piper (that is, Noam Chomsky) sometimes can earn money (or popularity/fame) for selling inferior goods or (unproved/abstract) story/theories; but, people pay/give nothing to Prof. Philip Lieberman who only says that the pied piper is selling inferior goods or (unproved/abstract) story/theories, without presenting ultimate alternative/answer(s).

3. The brain is not all.    
Without mention/studying the brain, we have no difficulty/inconveniences in studying linguistics/phonetics.
Most dictionaries, grammar books, etc. are made without mention/studying the brain.

I say that the vocabularies and grammar(s)/etc. of all (modern and Inca/Maya-like-disappeared-antique) languages (including their dialects) are already stored in human brain at birth (and now in your/my brains also), but which is a presumption.
It can be the leg, the stomach or the other. I only mention the brain for convenience.
I take out words/grammars/etc. of various languages not directly from the brain with a shovel but by articulate/tense/conditioning some parts of my body, then words/grammars/etc. of various languages automatically/unconsciously come out (or are reflex/pronounced) in voice form via the mouth while the hemi-diaphragms reflex/vibrate to produce sound/voice. I only presume the words/grammars/etc. of various languages will be stored in the brain, and the presumption will be right since I can feel the vibration near the thalamus with concentration.

4. "When people talk, their speech output is generally underspecified." you mention.

The above comment betrays shallowness of your phonetics knowledge/practice.
Speaking/articulation style/method is different between a single word and a phrase.
That is, the pronunciation/sound of "when" as a independent word is different from the pronunciation/sound of "when" in "When people talk", since (English-mother-tongue) people try to speak "When people talk" not as a phrase but as a word for articulation/speaking efficiency/speed/economy, whenever possible.

When "How do you do?" is tried to speak as a word. "Hello" is pronounced.
When "How are you?" is tried to speak as a word. "Hi" is pronounced.

5. Your writing agrees to the below.

I can speak/pronounce any vowel of [a, e, i, o, u, etc.] while fixing my tongue in one place/position, without movement, as the mouth sound or as the chest sound.
But IPA speak different story, as you know.
Do you agree that any vowel of [a, e, i, o, u, etc.] can be pronounced while fixing the tongue in one place/position, without movement?

But you and all conventional linguists do not know the why/answer while only I and my home page (in the world) shows the reason/answer.
Please browse my homepage.

6. If your writing is not pdf but Microsoft word. I will be able to mention/comment more in detail.
But pdf style does not permit quoting. Tired.

Comparative phonetics
http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test1
http://voicespec.com/

Young-Won Kim
ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr , ygwnkm@hotmail.com ,


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Lieberman" < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
To: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:05 AM
Subject: Re: The pied piper and Prof. Philip Lieberman.

> Please read my 2006 book and then perhaps pose some questions.
>
> Bye Bye


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----- Original Message -----
From: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
To: < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 3:25 PM
Subject: Philip Lieberman, fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu/5

>> Please read my 2006 book (Toward an evolutionary biology of language) and then perhaps pose some questions.

*  I say:
If you study/know  (not fake but)  genuine phonetics (phonology or the likes),   that is, if you study my homepage,   you can take out words/grammars/etc. of various languages from your brain;     since knowledge/information in the brain is expressed in the form of voice (or thought/idea/concept/etc.)

When I read/study your book (Toward an evolutionary biology of language), what can I do (specially, in phonetics/linguistics)?
When I read/study your book (Toward an evolutionary biology of language), can I take out words/grammars/etc. of various languages from the brain?

I want sciences of possibility/ability/competence, not of impossibility/inability/incompetence.
You seem to always say impossibility of Noam Chomsky's presumptions without presenting the (appropriate) alternatives.

Why do you think/want contribution of generative grammar (or linguistics) to cognitive science (or biology), instead of contribution of cognitive science (or biology) to generative grammar (or linguistics)?
Why must Noam Chomsky help you who do not help Noam Chomsky?

Why do you always think/want to (not give but) take help or the likes?

Noam Chomsky has contributed not to cognitive science (or biology) but to linguistics with valuable presumptions.

I thank you very much for your communications with me since I come to know the following:

1. Noam Chomsky presented some linguistic presumptions which I demonstrate not biologically but phonetically, that is, with articulation/pronunciation.
2. (You agree) Any vowel of [a, e, i, o, u, etc.] can be spoken/pronounced while fixing the tongue in one place/position, without movement.
But you and all conventional linguists do not know the why/answer while only I and my home page (in the world) show the reason/answer.


Comparative phonetics
http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test1
http://voicespec.com/

Young-Won Kim
ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr , ygwnkm@hotmail.com ,


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Lieberman" < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
To: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: Philip Lieberman, fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu/5

> [i] and [u] can not be produced with the same tongue position.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
To: < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
Cc:
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:41 PM
Subject: Philip Lieberman, fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu/6

>> [i] and [u] can not be produced with the same tongue position.

*   I can pronounce [i] and [u] with the same tongue position.
Without head/rear consonants, vowel alone can not be spoken.
That is, when we think to speak [i], we actually speak [ŋih].

Please try [ki] and [ku], [si] and [su], [bi] and [bu], etc. instead of simple [i] and [u] which are equal to [ŋi] and [ŋu] or [ŋih] and [ŋuh].

According to the different mother tongues (English, German, Korean, etc.), phonetics novices can have difficulty in pronouncing some sounds.

And James Mesbur ( jmesbur@babel.ling.upenn.edu) of Upenn said, "BY THE WAY, I CAN ALSO PRONOUNCE ANY OF THOSE VOWELS WITHOUT MOVING MY TONGUE" which is found if you click http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test2&action=view&gul=28-1-1&page=1&go_cnt=1.

Comparative phonetics
http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test1
http://voicespec.com/

Young-Won Kim
ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr , ygwnkm@hotmail.com ,


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Philip Lieberman" < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
To: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: Philip Lieberman, fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu/6

> STOP EMAILING ME and do not forward any of your emails to or from me.
>
> PL


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----- Original Message -----
From: "ygwnkm" < ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr>
To: < Philip_Lieberman@brown.edu>
Cc:
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 11:26 AM
Subject: Philip Lieberman, fred m. seed professor, Brown.edu/7

> STOP EMAILING ME and do not forward any of your emails to or from me.

* I see.
I again thank you very much for your communications with me which let me read Noam Chomsky and confirm vowel pronunciation, etc.
Though I am a novice to Tiger Woods in golf, he will be a novice to me in phonetics.

I will publicize/circulate our (valuable) debates to the linguistics people (including MIT people with Noam Chomsky) and to the media/press.

Comparative phonetics
http://voicespec.com/board.cgi?id=test1
http://voicespec.com/

Young-Won Kim
ygwnkm@yahoo.co.kr , ygwnkm@hotmail.com ,

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